As, I’m sure you know unless you’ve been living under a rock for the last few weeks, there was a debate between Gordon Brown ( Lab), David Cameron (Con) and Nick Clegg (LibDem). A transcript of the debate can be found here, and the video here: the video only being available for people in the UK.
Now, I apologise in advance for this blog’s length. I’m going to write this in several parts, perhaps 4 or 5, depending on my mood.
General Comments
I believe that Clegg came off best. Not nessacerily because he was the best debater, or had the most substantial points, but rather that his objective for the debate was “To get known” – and he did that, quite successfully. As it happens, the lib dem manifesto is quite well fleshed out: not amazing, but certainly approaching “good”.
The debate was, as I expected, full of various rhetorical devices. A few word counts for you: the word “fair” was used 26 times throughout the duration of the debate, the word “change” 24 times and a specific figure to back a point was used around 3 times. Noone made any amazingly substantial points, but I must admit that Clegg (LibDem) was the best on this point; arguments with actual substance were made, albeit rarely. Clegg was absolutely not totally free of this burden however – but was rather not the worst evil. I quote: “Those are the changes I believe in.” Oh really, Mr Clegg? How original of you.
Again, as I expected [call me cynical: I am], there was a large amount of ad hominems thrown between Brown and Cameron. It was going to happen. Brown, surprisingly, was the most amusing of the three debaters. I found his comments on the posters particularly amusing. However, style is no substitute for substance, I am afraid.
Opening Statements
Clegg had the first opening statement and, as expected, he started by saying that this is a three party system, and the conservatives and labour aren’t the only choice. I’m just going to go on a tangent. You are a giant hypocrite, Mr Clegg. You, Sir, have done exactly the same damn thing on your posters and leaflets. I’m not taking a manipulation of the ridiculous first past the post system from anyone, particularly not you, Mr. “I’m different, honest”.
I’m done now.
Brown next, he spoke about how securing the economic recovery is important, and a vote for labour will be “The right decision now” to avoid a double dip recession. He manages to shoehorn in the word “fair” in a totally unnecessary place. Surprisingly not bad, and is a nice outline of what he attempts to do later on. Does he actually do it? Guess.
Cameron lastly. He talks about how confidence in politics by the public has dropped greatly, and apologises for every politician letting the public down. Woah, is he actually being modest and accepting he’s done wrong?
Well, no. Later on, he wishes to point out that all of the conservatives gave back their over-claimed expenses before the official review, and how much work he put into resolving the situation. See a bit of a shift in his opinion on the matter there?
Question 1 of 8: “What Key Elements for a fair, workable immigration policy need to be put in place to make it work effectively?”
Immigration: A pretty hot [Read: Over reported] topic recently. Brown talks about the implemented points system (Which, actually, I don’t think is a bad idea.) Cameron starts with “…immigration is simply too high at the moment” – about as subtle as a rusty knife to the stomach- and talks about a hard cap on immigration per year. Clegg, on the other hand, has a region-based system which I, again, don’t find too bad an idea.
Rebuttals now: Brown attacks the cap idea by saying that it’s just an arbitrary figure and talks about his [beloved] ID cards. I am finding myself agreeing with him. Needs change, and we need to be flexible.
Cameron starts with an anecdote. He spoke to a 40 year old black-man who came here when he was 6. He has served in the navy for 30 years, and is ashamed of the loose immigration laws recently.
Well, that’s good of him to take into account the views o- Wait. Wait a minute.
Did he just say a 40 year old has been in the navy for 30 years? That’s certainly interesting, I didn’t know ten year olds were allowed in the navy in 1980. Funny that.
After Cameron’s blatently made-up story, Clegg pops in [No-one has the guts to point out the Cameron lied, though. Or they didn't realise] and defends his regional approach using the same argument as Brown did: that any cap is an arbitrary cap. Flexibility seems to be the name of the game, and allowing immigrants “To regions in which they can be supported” – a good idea, doesn’t say much about what consitutes supporting though.
Brown then confronts Cameron about the drop in immigration, which I found funny. As far as I can tell, he’s right. It has dropped. Cameron’s figures about the immigration rise since 1997 (*cough*) are also correct. They fail to take into account any reason why the increase happened, and the actual effect. I’d like to hear a debate on “So why is 100,000 people a year coming here so bad, anyway?”
Clegg then totally shows Cameron up with his comment, “So how would you enforce a regional system?” – a question he was obviously expecting to hit hard, which was answered quite simply by Clegg: the work permit just needs a simple region on it, and anyone who employs them outside of that is breaking the law.
…To be continued.